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Her face was all, like, demonic.

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I felt hands yank me up.

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Yeah, so, the way
she's trying to kill her

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is try to get her to kill herself.

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Bodies were starting to float ashore

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up and down this entire area.

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There is a lot of dead around.

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She died in a fire.

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How do you know that, honey?

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She told me.

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And it killed... I think
it killed everybody.

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The dead girl...
she's always watching.

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There's a dark presence.

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My name is Amy Allan.

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These things, they're freaking out.

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They're from hell.

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I see dead people.

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They were being hunted.

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I speak to dead people.

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They were setting people on fire,

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burning them alive.

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And they speak to me.

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Her neck got broken.

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But there's only one way to
know if my findings are real.

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I hear a gunshot.

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I rely on my partner.

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I'm Steve Di Schiavi.

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I'm a retired New York
City homicide detective.

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Something's not right here.

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And I know every person,
every house has secrets.

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It's not safe here.

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It's my job to reveal them.

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Are any of them buried on the property?

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They're all buried here.

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But Steve and I never speak...

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We never communicate
during an investigation.

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Until the very end...

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I can't do it no more.

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When we uncover if it's
safe for you to stay...

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Holy [bleep] Look at this.

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Or time to get out.

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It does not have a happy ending.

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Something kills people here.

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STEVE: I'm in the seaside
town of North Beach, Maryland.

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It's about 45 minutes
south of Annapolis.

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I got a call from a
woman who was hysterical.

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She says whatever's in the house

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is attacking her
6-year-old daughter.

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She thinks the little girl is in danger,

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and she can't think of
anywhere else to turn.

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She says we're literally her last hope.

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MATTHEW: Before Amy arrives,

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I clear the area of
any leading information,

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removing religious
symbols, family photos,

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and other personal items that
could influence her findings.

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When I'm done, the location
will be ready for tonight's walk.

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AMY: [Sighing] Okay.

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[Door hinges creak]

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There's, like, a lot of darkness here.

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Even if the sun is shining,
it's not really shining.

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It's, like, stormy and dark,

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and there's all of
these unresolved issues.

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There's a lot of fighting.

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There's a lot of dead around.

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STEVE: Caren, when
we spoke on the phone,

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you were pretty upset

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about what's going on in the house.

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Yes.

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Most people think I'm crazy,

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but it's hard to do battle

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with an enemy you don't understand.

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Okay.

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Give me a list of what you
guys are experiencing here.

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There are things
moving around the house.

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We're hearing voices.

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We have all had nightmares.

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We've seen full apparitions.

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Now things are getting physical.

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Now, who's living in
the house here with you?

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My oldest daughter, Laurel, who's 14,

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my middle daughter, Aspen, who's 8,

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and my youngest
daughter, Cedar, who is 6.

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We spoke on the phone.
I know you're married.

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Yes, my husband works for
the Department of Defense,

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and he travels a lot,
so he's rarely here.

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Okay.

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Now, do you know any
history about the house?

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I know the owner that we
bought the property from.

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She was an older lady. She had polio.

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Okay. So when did you
move here, exactly?

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We bought the property in 2007.

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And did you guys have experiences

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from the minute you moved in?

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No.

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For some reason,

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things started happening
once Cedar turned 3.

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Let's talk about her. What's going on?

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She has drawn pictures.

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What kind of pictures?

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I have some right here.

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And this is the man with the brown arms.

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He lives in her room, in her closet.

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Oh, geez. All right.

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This one she saw in my bathroom.

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It was a man covered with mud.

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And I have a book with over 40 drawings.

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She has become anxious and depressed.

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We've seen psychiatrists
and psychologists.

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They all say she's a normal little girl,

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but she says things

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that 5- and 6-year-old
children should not be saying.

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Thank you. I'm sorry. No, don't be.

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I love her with all
my heart, but at times,

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I just... I don't
know who she is.

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This is pretty... heavy.

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How are you handling it?

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Not very well.

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When I'm alone, I do a lot of crying.

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I feel isolated. I feel exhausted.

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How are the other two kids handling

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all this stuff that
you and her, you know?

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There's a lot of fighting, a
lot of blaming, blaming her.

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"It's your fault this is all going on."

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So it's a very hard
environment to live in at times.

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I feel so upset for you and
what you're going through.

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We're willing to do whatever it takes.

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We're ready.

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Okay.

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AMY: I just hear crying and crying.

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I don't think that people around here

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can really maintain good
family relationships.

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The fighting is huge... a
huge, huge, huge problem.

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Oh, oh.

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There's a male. He's all dark right now.

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He's, like, standing in the shadows.

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He's very angry.

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Yeah, this is bad.

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Why'd you bring me in here?

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The day that I talked
to you on the phone,

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only a couple hours later,
I was in the kitchen.

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And I opened the cupboard,
and before doing anything,

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all the dishes and the
bowls fell on top of me.

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Was this here? Yes.

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And these support clips were here?

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Yes.

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Well, I can't figure out

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what the hell would have did that.

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Has anything else in this
kitchen happened here?

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Yes. My daughter Laurel
and I were right here,

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having a conversation,
and all of a sudden,

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she screamed, and I said,

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"What's wrong? What's wrong?"

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She said, "Someone just
touched me on my back,"

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and there was no one else in the room.

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It was just her and I.

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Okay. There's something creepy.

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I'm thinking maybe
it came out of the TV.

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There's this, like, woman.
She had, like, long hair.

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She was all wet.

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Her face was all, like, demonic.

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But she's young. I know she's young.

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And there's a relationship
with a living woman,

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probably like my age, maybe.

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Something weird is
going on with these two.

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The dead girl... she's always
watching, always watching.

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People would see her moving.

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MATTHEW: As a woman? What
do you think they see?

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More along the lines of
like a shadowy figure.

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This girl's just messed up.
Her head is just messed up.

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Oh, this isn't good.

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STEVE: What's going on in here?

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I have had several scary
experiences in this room.

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I was woken by a noise, and immediately,

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I looked to the door and
saw a giant black shadow

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coming at me from the door.

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Came over the bed and came
straight overtop of me.

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I was scared to death.

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I've never been that scared in my life.

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What else is happening up here?

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I was asleep,

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and I felt a hand grab
my hair and yank me up.

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It was a very aggressive pull.

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I screamed,

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and I did not go back
to sleep after that.

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There was no one around.

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Tim wasn't here.

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You're sure it wasn't
a nightmare that you...

189
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It was not a nightmare.

190
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How the hell are you dealing with this?

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I don't sleep most nights,

192
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but I'm glad that I had the experience.

193
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Why?

194
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Because I understand what
Cedar's going through.

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If I saw that every night,

196
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I think I'd act like her, too.

197
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I hear "mother."

198
00:09:06,196 --> 00:09:07,695
This is weird.

199
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This dead girl feels like the
living woman here is her mother.

200
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Okay. Oh, boy.

201
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The feeling in here is loss
and loneliness, isolation,

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extremely depressed,
like there's nothing left.

203
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Okay.

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She wants this woman all to herself,

205
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and she's doing everything in
her power to make that happen.

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Aah!

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So, that was a warning. [Chuckles]

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What happened?

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She kind of hit me in my neck.

210
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At least I know I'm on
the right track with this.

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The dead younger woman is
trying to kill the living woman

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because she wants to be with her.

213
00:10:19,953 --> 00:10:21,116
I was talking to your daughter.

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I got to tell you,

215
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listening to her talk about
what's going on with Cedar,

216
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that really broke my heart.

217
00:10:25,944 --> 00:10:28,578
Absolutely. Something's
going on with Cedar.

218
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She's changed dramatically

219
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in the last year, year and a half.

220
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To do this to my
grandchildren makes me angry.

221
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You spend time here, I guess.

222
00:10:37,789 --> 00:10:38,955
- Lots of time here.
- You do?

223
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We live right down the street.

224
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Have you experienced anything?

225
00:10:41,827 --> 00:10:43,693
My husband and I
were babysitting here.

226
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Okay.

227
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And we heard Cedar cry
out, yelling and screaming,

228
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"Stop it, stop it. Leave
me alone, leave me alone."

229
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So I rubbed her back, and
she went back into her sleep,

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and then I heard a low voice say,

231
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"It's gonna be all
right. It's all right."

232
00:11:03,615 --> 00:11:06,783
Okay. Do you remember if it
was a male or a female voice?

233
00:11:06,885 --> 00:11:09,019
- It sounded male.
- Okay.

234
00:11:09,121 --> 00:11:11,359
What are you hoping to get
out of this investigation?

235
00:11:12,115 --> 00:11:13,648
I've thought long and hard about this,

236
00:11:13,750 --> 00:11:16,350
and peace among the girls.

237
00:11:16,452 --> 00:11:18,486
They don't tend to get along,

238
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and it's more than just sibling rivalry.

239
00:11:21,624 --> 00:11:22,957
There's something else.

240
00:11:23,059 --> 00:11:25,159
Do you think they're
in physical danger here?

241
00:11:25,261 --> 00:11:26,961
Yes, I do.

242
00:11:31,734 --> 00:11:33,367
The dead younger woman...

243
00:11:34,304 --> 00:11:39,540
she is coming in, being
creepy and malicious.

244
00:11:39,642 --> 00:11:45,079
I think it's out of jealousy
because she wants Mommy.

245
00:11:45,181 --> 00:11:48,482
She doesn't want children to distract.

246
00:11:51,554 --> 00:11:53,888
But, okay, so, the
interesting thing is...

247
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the dead guy who was in
the shadows downstairs

248
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just came in.

249
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He wants to stop.

250
00:11:59,162 --> 00:12:04,065
This is completely uncalled for,
and it's disgusting, he says.

251
00:12:06,301 --> 00:12:08,335
He's trying to reach the kids.

252
00:12:09,033 --> 00:12:12,267
He's trying to communicate with them,

253
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and he's trying to make them listen,

254
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and he's trying to teach them
how to stay away from her.

255
00:12:19,010 --> 00:12:22,912
So he is requesting that
God put a stop to this.

256
00:12:29,888 --> 00:12:31,087
STEVE: So, Cedar, I
was talking to Mommy,

257
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and she told me that
she's worried about you.

258
00:12:34,325 --> 00:12:37,126
Okay. She says sometimes
you get angry at things.

259
00:12:37,228 --> 00:12:38,961
Do you recall any of that stuff?

260
00:12:39,064 --> 00:12:39,996
You remember that?

261
00:12:41,466 --> 00:12:42,298
Why do you think that happens, honey?

262
00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:43,599
I don't want to get angry.

263
00:12:43,702 --> 00:12:45,001
You don't want to get angry.

264
00:12:45,103 --> 00:12:47,670
- All of a sudden, you get angry.
- Okay.

265
00:12:47,772 --> 00:12:50,273
Okay, would you mind telling
me about what you're seeing?

266
00:12:50,375 --> 00:12:52,709
I had, like, this dream last night.

267
00:12:52,811 --> 00:12:54,410
I was going to Mom's room,

268
00:12:54,512 --> 00:12:55,845
and there was blood on the floor,

269
00:12:55,947 --> 00:12:58,781
and there was dead
people there...

270
00:12:58,883 --> 00:13:02,752
a man, there was a woman,
and there was a little girl.

271
00:13:02,854 --> 00:13:05,188
I was so freaked out. I didn't like it.

272
00:13:05,290 --> 00:13:07,390
Okay. So, what else are
you seeing, sweetheart?

273
00:13:12,897 --> 00:13:14,030
He yells at me.

274
00:13:14,132 --> 00:13:15,531
When he yells at you,
what's he tell you?

275
00:13:15,633 --> 00:13:18,534
He says, "Get out of here.

276
00:13:18,636 --> 00:13:21,003
<i>This is not your room. This is my room."</i>

277
00:13:21,106 --> 00:13:24,741
Okay. He sounds very mean.

278
00:13:24,843 --> 00:13:27,376
We're gonna have to straighten
him out and get rid of him.

279
00:13:27,479 --> 00:13:29,011
Okay, anything else, honey?

280
00:13:29,114 --> 00:13:32,081
I looked over, and,
like, this little girl...

281
00:13:32,183 --> 00:13:33,883
her name's Stacie...
she was hitting me.

282
00:13:33,985 --> 00:13:36,319
So, this little girl, is she a spirit,

283
00:13:36,421 --> 00:13:37,487
or is she a real person?

284
00:13:37,589 --> 00:13:38,755
She's a spirit.

285
00:13:38,857 --> 00:13:41,991
I know how she died. She died in a fire.

286
00:13:42,093 --> 00:13:43,092
How do you know that, honey?

287
00:13:43,194 --> 00:13:45,795
- 'Cause she told me.
- She did?

288
00:13:45,897 --> 00:13:47,096
Where does she hit you?

289
00:13:47,198 --> 00:13:49,866
She, like, hits me all
here and here and here.

290
00:13:49,968 --> 00:13:50,900
Okay.

291
00:13:51,002 --> 00:13:53,369
And do you get her to stop somehow?

292
00:13:53,471 --> 00:13:55,538
- No, I can't.
- You can't, huh?

293
00:13:55,640 --> 00:13:58,574
'Cause when I tell her stop,
she just keeps on doing it.

294
00:13:58,676 --> 00:14:01,677
Okay. We're gonna try to
get rid of her, too, okay?

295
00:14:01,780 --> 00:14:04,514
Would that make you happy?

296
00:14:04,616 --> 00:14:06,482
Okay.

297
00:14:06,584 --> 00:14:08,885
The living person in this room

298
00:14:08,987 --> 00:14:10,920
can hear the dead man talking to them.

299
00:14:11,022 --> 00:14:13,843
MATTHEW: So the person
in here is aware of him?

300
00:14:13,943 --> 00:14:16,143
Like, I don't know if
it's through dreams.

301
00:14:16,245 --> 00:14:17,444
I don't know if it's
direct communication.

302
00:14:17,546 --> 00:14:19,980
I don't know, but on some level,

303
00:14:20,082 --> 00:14:23,884
yes, very much so, they've talked.

304
00:14:23,986 --> 00:14:26,620
The dead younger woman,
she does come in here.

305
00:14:26,722 --> 00:14:27,421
Boy, does she.

306
00:14:27,523 --> 00:14:29,022
She has to try harder here,

307
00:14:29,124 --> 00:14:32,726
'cause the protection
seems more aggressive.

308
00:14:32,828 --> 00:14:35,762
She's more visual here.

309
00:14:35,864 --> 00:14:37,898
She manifests here.

310
00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:41,935
She is louder here because
she can't get close.

311
00:14:49,245 --> 00:14:51,145
STEVE: So, Aspen,
sweetie, how old are you?

312
00:14:51,247 --> 00:14:53,681
- 8 years old.
- You're 8, huh?

313
00:14:53,783 --> 00:14:56,350
Now, Mommy also said that
you're seeing things, as well.

314
00:14:56,452 --> 00:14:57,351
Mm-hmm.

315
00:14:57,453 --> 00:14:59,854
There is a shadow man in my room.

316
00:14:59,956 --> 00:15:04,658
He sits there, over by that dresser.

317
00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:06,627
What did it look like? Did
it look like a grown person?

318
00:15:06,729 --> 00:15:10,839
Yeah, it looked like a grown-up,
and it was like a person.

319
00:15:10,865 --> 00:15:11,891
Okay.

320
00:15:11,968 --> 00:15:13,334
And he just sits staring and looks at me

321
00:15:13,436 --> 00:15:15,236
and maybe watches out for me.

322
00:15:15,338 --> 00:15:17,404
Okay, so that's one
thing you've experienced.

323
00:15:17,506 --> 00:15:18,472
What else has happened?

324
00:15:18,574 --> 00:15:19,874
Well, I was in bed,

325
00:15:19,976 --> 00:15:24,044
and then I saw a little
girl over by my ribbons.

326
00:15:24,146 --> 00:15:26,580
She had brown hair, and she
was looking out the window,

327
00:15:26,682 --> 00:15:29,830
and she was twirling her
hair, and she was wet.

328
00:15:29,930 --> 00:15:31,329
- She was wet?
- Mm-hmm.

329
00:15:31,431 --> 00:15:33,598
Maybe she was about to go to sleep,

330
00:15:33,700 --> 00:15:35,634
but she was in the water or something.

331
00:15:35,736 --> 00:15:37,302
Okay. Anything else, honey?

332
00:15:37,404 --> 00:15:41,940
I was in my bed, and
then, all of a sudden,

333
00:15:42,042 --> 00:15:47,312
I felt a thumb press on the
back of my neck really hard.

334
00:15:47,414 --> 00:15:48,756
Okay. Were any
of the animals...

335
00:15:48,856 --> 00:15:50,155
your dogs in the house in bed with you

336
00:15:50,257 --> 00:15:51,657
or anything like that?

337
00:15:51,759 --> 00:15:53,574
No. The dogs weren't in bed with me.

338
00:15:53,674 --> 00:15:55,706
Oh. Sounds like you got
some scary things going on.

339
00:15:55,806 --> 00:15:56,738
Mm-hmm.

340
00:15:56,840 --> 00:15:57,829
Do you want to move from here?

341
00:15:57,929 --> 00:16:01,254
A little bit so I can
feel like a normal girl

342
00:16:01,354 --> 00:16:03,254
and always don't be scared of the dark.

343
00:16:03,356 --> 00:16:04,889
Okay.

344
00:16:08,795 --> 00:16:10,028
Okay.

345
00:16:10,130 --> 00:16:11,463
So we've got problems

346
00:16:11,565 --> 00:16:14,399
with the under-the-bed
issue here with her.

347
00:16:14,501 --> 00:16:17,001
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

348
00:16:17,104 --> 00:16:20,705
She slides down, goes
right under the bed,

349
00:16:20,807 --> 00:16:21,673
won't let them sleep.

350
00:16:21,775 --> 00:16:24,175
Like, I see her hands coming up.

351
00:16:27,514 --> 00:16:31,850
So, I don't know if she's
grabbing feet and arms,

352
00:16:31,952 --> 00:16:34,219
and she's messing with the head.

353
00:16:35,322 --> 00:16:36,788
Like, it's [bleep] terrifying.

354
00:16:36,890 --> 00:16:39,557
And they know that she's under the bed.

355
00:16:41,461 --> 00:16:43,361
I'm getting mad.

356
00:16:43,463 --> 00:16:45,830
Bad, bad, bad.

357
00:16:58,262 --> 00:17:01,017
STEVE: Caren says she bought
the house from a disabled woman.

358
00:17:01,117 --> 00:17:03,718
Turns out the lady's
name was Mary Sullivan.

359
00:17:03,820 --> 00:17:05,052
Now, I made a few calls

360
00:17:05,154 --> 00:17:06,354
and managed to track down her cousin,

361
00:17:06,456 --> 00:17:07,455
who agreed to meet with me.

362
00:17:07,557 --> 00:17:09,357
He told me that her time there

363
00:17:09,459 --> 00:17:12,159
was filled with nothing
but heartbreak and pain.

364
00:17:16,399 --> 00:17:18,666
My clients bought that house

365
00:17:18,768 --> 00:17:19,767
from your cousin Mary Sullivan.

366
00:17:19,869 --> 00:17:21,168
JOHN: Right.

367
00:17:21,271 --> 00:17:22,710
You spent time at the
house when Mary was there?

368
00:17:22,736 --> 00:17:23,095
Yes.

369
00:17:23,172 --> 00:17:25,139
Did you ever experience
anything that you can't explain?

370
00:17:25,241 --> 00:17:26,340
No.

371
00:17:26,442 --> 00:17:28,809
Okay. Did Mary ever
mention anything to you?

372
00:17:28,912 --> 00:17:32,647
No. I don't recall anybody
saying they had any issues.

373
00:17:32,749 --> 00:17:33,981
- Anything they can't explain?
- Right.

374
00:17:34,083 --> 00:17:34,982
Okay.

375
00:17:35,084 --> 00:17:36,384
So, John, do you have any idea

376
00:17:36,486 --> 00:17:38,119
when your family actually
purchased the property?

377
00:17:38,221 --> 00:17:39,186
I do.

378
00:17:39,289 --> 00:17:41,656
My grandfather bought
the property in 1919,

379
00:17:41,758 --> 00:17:45,660
and this is what it
looked like about 1934.

380
00:17:45,762 --> 00:17:47,421
Wow. It's so different.

381
00:17:47,521 --> 00:17:49,288
Mary... let's talk about her.

382
00:17:49,390 --> 00:17:50,822
What kind of personality was she?

383
00:17:50,925 --> 00:17:53,759
Oh, she was very outgoing,
very pleasant, very happy.

384
00:17:53,861 --> 00:17:56,495
Here's her graduation
picture from high school.

385
00:17:56,597 --> 00:17:57,729
She's a pretty girl.

386
00:17:57,831 --> 00:17:58,931
Yeah, she is a very pretty girl.

387
00:17:59,033 --> 00:18:00,198
On the phone,

388
00:18:00,301 --> 00:18:01,934
you mentioned that she
had a rough go of things.

389
00:18:02,036 --> 00:18:03,635
Yes, yes.

390
00:18:03,737 --> 00:18:05,012
When she was 20,

391
00:18:05,112 --> 00:18:07,676
she got engaged to a
midshipman at the naval academy.

392
00:18:07,776 --> 00:18:11,277
And here's the midshipman
that she was engaged to.

393
00:18:12,347 --> 00:18:15,281
And everything was going
well until the following year,

394
00:18:15,383 --> 00:18:16,950
after she turned 21.

395
00:18:17,052 --> 00:18:19,552
Then, she was diagnosed with polio,

396
00:18:19,654 --> 00:18:22,422
and she wore a brace from
her hip down to her ankle.

397
00:18:22,524 --> 00:18:24,491
He broke the engagement.

398
00:18:24,593 --> 00:18:26,558
- She ever meet anybody else?
- No.

399
00:18:26,658 --> 00:18:27,724
She never went out of her way

400
00:18:27,826 --> 00:18:29,693
to look for another
romantic relationship.

401
00:18:29,795 --> 00:18:32,295
So, did she live alone in
that house all those years?

402
00:18:32,397 --> 00:18:34,331
Yes, but she kept herself busy,

403
00:18:34,433 --> 00:18:37,834
in the church and the
Democratic Woman's Society.

404
00:18:37,936 --> 00:18:39,836
So, John, I know she
sold the house in 2007.

405
00:18:39,938 --> 00:18:41,438
How soon after that did she pass?

406
00:18:41,540 --> 00:18:44,774
About two years later, after
her 75th birthday party.

407
00:18:44,877 --> 00:18:48,145
Here are a couple of
pictures from that party.

408
00:18:48,247 --> 00:18:50,680
She passed away a
couple months after that.

409
00:18:50,782 --> 00:18:52,115
It was a total surprise.

410
00:18:52,217 --> 00:18:53,884
What was the official
cause of death with Mary?

411
00:18:53,986 --> 00:18:55,886
- It was a heart attack.
- Okay.

412
00:18:55,988 --> 00:18:57,454
That's a shame.

413
00:18:57,556 --> 00:19:00,591
One major disease just
changed her life completely.

414
00:19:00,617 --> 00:19:01,550
Absolutely.

415
00:19:05,364 --> 00:19:08,131
AMY: So, there's this old woman.

416
00:19:08,233 --> 00:19:09,466
Has this person passed?

417
00:19:09,568 --> 00:19:11,868
She's dead, yes.

418
00:19:11,970 --> 00:19:14,337
The old lady looks very alive,

419
00:19:14,439 --> 00:19:18,341
so I'm gonna say, you
know, she's pretty recent.

420
00:19:18,443 --> 00:19:22,479
Oh [bleep] damn she's in some
kind of pain, I tell you what.

421
00:19:26,118 --> 00:19:27,184
Can you describe her?

422
00:19:27,286 --> 00:19:29,252
Kind of grandma heavy, I guess.

423
00:19:29,354 --> 00:19:31,888
Her hair was kind of gray-white.

424
00:19:31,990 --> 00:19:35,859
She is, like, aware of,
like, this bad stuff.

425
00:19:35,961 --> 00:19:37,127
And, then,

426
00:19:37,229 --> 00:19:39,930
there's this whole thing about
religion creeping back in.

427
00:19:40,032 --> 00:19:41,998
She was, like, praying
and talking about demons,

428
00:19:42,100 --> 00:19:45,268
and I think she's talking
about the dead younger woman.

429
00:19:45,370 --> 00:19:49,005
I think she saw her when she was alive,

430
00:19:49,107 --> 00:19:51,808
'cause she really
thinks that she's evil.

431
00:19:53,278 --> 00:19:55,312
STEVE: So, here's what I know so far.

432
00:19:55,414 --> 00:19:58,615
I've got a family of four being
terrorized by bizarre activity

433
00:19:58,717 --> 00:20:01,351
on a property whose former
owner suffered from polio

434
00:20:01,453 --> 00:20:03,253
and died of a heart attack.

435
00:20:03,355 --> 00:20:04,654
But I need to see if
there's anything else

436
00:20:04,756 --> 00:20:07,390
that could help my investigation.

437
00:20:07,492 --> 00:20:08,658
Searching through old records,

438
00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:10,827
I find an article about
another former owner

439
00:20:10,929 --> 00:20:12,963
named Maurice Dougherty.

440
00:20:13,065 --> 00:20:17,200
Turns out he died in a fire that
started inside Caren's house.

441
00:20:19,738 --> 00:20:21,104
I'm heading over to
meet with a genealogist

442
00:20:21,206 --> 00:20:24,307
who says Maurice Dougherty's
life was as tragic as his death.

443
00:20:30,516 --> 00:20:31,548
This guy Maurice Dougherty...

444
00:20:31,651 --> 00:20:32,816
What did you find out about him?

445
00:20:32,918 --> 00:20:37,184
Well, he purchased that house
as a vacation home in 1930.

446
00:20:37,284 --> 00:20:40,485
- He himself was very wealthy.
- Okay.

447
00:20:40,587 --> 00:20:42,987
He was a contractor and owned
his own plumbing company.

448
00:20:43,089 --> 00:20:44,289
What happened with the fire?

449
00:20:44,391 --> 00:20:48,526
The night of the fire
was October 16, 1932.

450
00:20:48,552 --> 00:20:49,585
Okay.

451
00:20:49,663 --> 00:20:52,697
It was cool enough to need some heat,

452
00:20:52,799 --> 00:20:56,668
so before he retired, he
turned on an oil stove.

453
00:20:56,770 --> 00:20:57,869
Okay.

454
00:20:57,971 --> 00:21:00,220
But he put it in his
bedroom, close to his bed.

455
00:21:00,855 --> 00:21:02,721
While he was sleeping,

456
00:21:02,823 --> 00:21:05,710
his sheets caught on fire
'cause they were too close.

457
00:21:05,810 --> 00:21:07,543
When the firefighters arrived,

458
00:21:07,645 --> 00:21:09,078
they knocked in the front door,

459
00:21:09,180 --> 00:21:13,682
and they found him dead with
the key still in his hand.

460
00:21:13,785 --> 00:21:15,050
So this poor [bleep]
was trying to get out

461
00:21:15,153 --> 00:21:16,152
with the key and never made it.

462
00:21:16,254 --> 00:21:17,153
Never made it.

463
00:21:17,255 --> 00:21:18,387
According to his death certificate,

464
00:21:18,489 --> 00:21:23,533
they have the cause of death
suffocation by inhalation.

465
00:21:23,633 --> 00:21:28,869
And so the sister became
the executor of his estate.

466
00:21:28,971 --> 00:21:34,274
However, the estate was sued
by a woman that came forward

467
00:21:34,377 --> 00:21:36,744
and presented herself as his wife.

468
00:21:36,846 --> 00:21:38,545
But there's no proof

469
00:21:38,648 --> 00:21:41,782
or documentation or marriage license,

470
00:21:41,884 --> 00:21:44,150
so the sister kept the property.

471
00:21:44,250 --> 00:21:45,382
Do we know if the cops ever looked at

472
00:21:45,484 --> 00:21:46,850
this woman claiming to be his wife

473
00:21:46,952 --> 00:21:48,452
for maybe setting the whole thing up

474
00:21:48,554 --> 00:21:49,653
to look like an accident?

475
00:21:49,755 --> 00:21:50,788
That is a good question.

476
00:21:50,890 --> 00:21:52,956
I don't know if she was interviewed

477
00:21:53,059 --> 00:21:55,759
or ever a suspect in this.

478
00:21:55,861 --> 00:21:58,295
But his background as a contractor,

479
00:21:58,397 --> 00:22:01,598
would he have been that reckless

480
00:22:01,700 --> 00:22:05,202
to put a stove so close to your bed?

481
00:22:06,205 --> 00:22:08,906
The guy who tries to protect the living

482
00:22:09,008 --> 00:22:13,944
is taking it upon himself
to protect the children.

483
00:22:14,047 --> 00:22:16,781
So, do you get anything
on this guy in life?

484
00:22:16,883 --> 00:22:22,820
He was some kind of architect
or a builder of some sort.

485
00:22:22,922 --> 00:22:26,757
I think he died in his 40s, 50s.

486
00:22:26,859 --> 00:22:30,628
He feels like he was put
out to dry or something.

487
00:22:30,730 --> 00:22:34,265
I think he got himself
into a bad situation and...

488
00:22:34,367 --> 00:22:36,534
[Clicks tongue] What do you mean?

489
00:22:36,636 --> 00:22:38,002
He kind of feels like he was murdered,

490
00:22:38,104 --> 00:22:40,638
but I don't know if he's
really showing me the truth,

491
00:22:40,740 --> 00:22:47,078
because I feel like he
did himself in, you know,

492
00:22:47,178 --> 00:22:49,078
and he's not taking responsibility.

493
00:22:49,180 --> 00:22:52,014
Maybe he was wrongfully murdered.

494
00:22:58,957 --> 00:23:00,189
If you need us to investigate

495
00:23:00,292 --> 00:23:01,924
unexplained activity in your home,

496
00:23:02,027 --> 00:23:04,627
go to the "Dead Files"
page at travelchannel.com.

497
00:23:04,729 --> 00:23:06,529
Click on "Help me, Dead
Files!" to submit your story,

498
00:23:06,631 --> 00:23:07,764
and we'll help if we can.

499
00:23:16,512 --> 00:23:19,052
You know, another thing caught
my attention in research.

500
00:23:19,152 --> 00:23:22,219
There was a deadly boat accident
right near Caren's house,

501
00:23:22,322 --> 00:23:24,649
14 dead.

502
00:23:24,749 --> 00:23:27,616
I'm on my way to meet
with a maritime historian

503
00:23:27,718 --> 00:23:29,551
who's gonna tell me
exactly what happened.

504
00:23:36,861 --> 00:23:38,694
I wanted to talk to you
about this article I found

505
00:23:38,796 --> 00:23:40,496
in regards to a boat wreck

506
00:23:40,598 --> 00:23:42,297
that happened right by
my client's property.

507
00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:43,632
What can you tell me
about what happened?

508
00:23:43,734 --> 00:23:46,301
The ship originally
was used to haul cargo.

509
00:23:46,404 --> 00:23:48,737
This is the picture of her right there.

510
00:23:48,839 --> 00:23:49,872
Okay.

511
00:23:49,974 --> 00:23:53,876
In 1954, a guy named John Mecklin bought

512
00:23:53,978 --> 00:23:56,311
and converted the
straight-hulled schooner

513
00:23:56,414 --> 00:23:57,613
into a cruising ship.

514
00:23:57,715 --> 00:23:59,581
Here's a picture of
John Mecklin right here.

515
00:24:01,118 --> 00:24:02,785
What do we know about this guy?

516
00:24:02,887 --> 00:24:04,186
He really had very, very little

517
00:24:04,288 --> 00:24:06,855
or almost no maritime
experience whatsoever,

518
00:24:06,957 --> 00:24:08,490
but bought the ship.

519
00:24:08,592 --> 00:24:11,026
He says, "I can make a great business

520
00:24:11,128 --> 00:24:13,550
going up and down the
Chesapeake Bay with passengers."

521
00:24:13,650 --> 00:24:17,418
So he spends a little bit
of money repairing the ship,

522
00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:19,487
but it was a very, very bad job.

523
00:24:19,589 --> 00:24:21,823
It was very sloppy, and as a result,

524
00:24:21,925 --> 00:24:24,158
the ship really was not seaworthy.

525
00:24:24,260 --> 00:24:25,626
And for the next few years,

526
00:24:25,728 --> 00:24:28,615
it operated up and down the
bay in this new and popular way

527
00:24:28,665 --> 00:24:30,234
that people enjoyed
themselves called cruising.

528
00:24:30,334 --> 00:24:32,334
Take me through the day of the tragedy.

529
00:24:32,436 --> 00:24:33,535
Monday the 8th of August,

530
00:24:33,637 --> 00:24:36,705
they set sail with 23
passengers and a crew of 4.

531
00:24:36,807 --> 00:24:38,039
Little do they know

532
00:24:38,141 --> 00:24:40,875
that Hurricane Connie's
moving up this way.

533
00:24:40,977 --> 00:24:43,712
Friday, the 12th of August, 1955.

534
00:24:43,814 --> 00:24:44,946
The hurricane hits.

535
00:24:45,048 --> 00:24:47,048
The winds were well
over 60 miles an hour.

536
00:24:47,150 --> 00:24:49,718
Waves probably were a good 8 to 12 feet,

537
00:24:49,820 --> 00:24:52,721
which is huge in a bay like this.

538
00:24:52,823 --> 00:24:56,291
Once he recognizes that it's
time to get some protection,

539
00:24:56,393 --> 00:24:59,828
he comes sailing
across and tries to moor

540
00:24:59,930 --> 00:25:01,563
right up by your client's place.

541
00:25:01,665 --> 00:25:04,499
He drops anchor, but the ship capsizes,

542
00:25:04,601 --> 00:25:05,967
the passengers all go flying out,

543
00:25:06,069 --> 00:25:08,203
and the ship is
literally torn to pieces.

544
00:25:08,305 --> 00:25:11,039
All the passengers are
grabbing hold of wreckage

545
00:25:11,141 --> 00:25:12,841
to try and save themselves.

546
00:25:12,943 --> 00:25:15,043
Here's a picture of the
actual rescue effort.

547
00:25:15,145 --> 00:25:18,680
- Some make it. 14 don't.
- Wow.

548
00:25:18,782 --> 00:25:19,914
Bodies were starting to float ashore

549
00:25:20,016 --> 00:25:21,539
up and down this entire area.

550
00:25:21,639 --> 00:25:22,704
Okay, so, the captain...

551
00:25:22,807 --> 00:25:24,139
was he ever held accountable
for what happened?

552
00:25:24,241 --> 00:25:26,074
He was very fortunate
to have a good lawyer.

553
00:25:26,177 --> 00:25:28,877
He was found guilty of
four counts of negligence,

554
00:25:28,979 --> 00:25:31,747
was given suspended sentence
and on probation for a year.

555
00:25:31,849 --> 00:25:32,714
That's it.

556
00:25:32,817 --> 00:25:36,318
- Aw, geez.
- Yeah. Terrible tragedy.

557
00:25:41,492 --> 00:25:43,792
So, I'm getting some weird stuff.

558
00:25:43,894 --> 00:25:48,397
Kind of looks like a hairy man,

559
00:25:48,499 --> 00:25:53,669
but it seems to kind of
be, like, running around...

560
00:25:55,072 --> 00:25:59,741
kind of like an ape on the knuckles.

561
00:25:59,844 --> 00:26:03,312
This might have just been
a regular guy at some point.

562
00:26:03,414 --> 00:26:05,347
I guess he's taken on this appearance

563
00:26:05,449 --> 00:26:07,282
to kind of like be intimidating,

564
00:26:07,384 --> 00:26:10,586
trying to keep living people away.

565
00:26:10,688 --> 00:26:14,723
There is something about
a crash, like a boat.

566
00:26:16,293 --> 00:26:18,627
This boat accident happened
a very long time ago

567
00:26:18,729 --> 00:26:20,262
with this guy.

568
00:26:20,364 --> 00:26:22,831
I'm just seeing like, rain
and [bleep] and he's yelling,

569
00:26:22,933 --> 00:26:25,200
and I'm hearing all
these people yelling.

570
00:26:25,302 --> 00:26:28,403
He was in charge of a boat,
and it sank or something,

571
00:26:28,505 --> 00:26:31,139
and it killed... I think
it killed everybody.

572
00:26:42,120 --> 00:26:44,053
During my walk, I saw
several dead people,

573
00:26:44,155 --> 00:26:46,188
but the young woman
attacking the living child

574
00:26:46,291 --> 00:26:48,858
has me the most concerned.

575
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:51,694
I saw this woman under the bed.

576
00:26:54,332 --> 00:26:57,199
Her face is all black. It's all black.

577
00:27:03,941 --> 00:27:09,545
She's grabbing this child
and is torturing her.

578
00:27:18,723 --> 00:27:20,122
Is this what you saw?

579
00:27:20,224 --> 00:27:22,925
Yes, that's what I saw.

580
00:27:41,975 --> 00:27:44,331
STEVE: Now that Amy and I have
completed our investigations,

581
00:27:44,431 --> 00:27:46,298
we're ready to reveal
our findings to each other

582
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:48,400
and our clients for the first time.

583
00:27:50,025 --> 00:27:51,358
Amy, I'd like you to meet Caren,

584
00:27:51,460 --> 00:27:53,393
and this is her mom, Jan.

585
00:27:53,495 --> 00:27:55,629
Her story really touched my heart.

586
00:27:55,731 --> 00:27:58,131
Now, her husband works for
the Department of Defense

587
00:27:58,233 --> 00:28:01,201
and is overseas most of the time.

588
00:28:01,303 --> 00:28:03,236
Now, Jan lives down the street,

589
00:28:03,338 --> 00:28:05,005
- so Caren's here alone...
- AMY: Okay.

590
00:28:05,107 --> 00:28:08,341
With a hell of a lot of activity.

591
00:28:08,443 --> 00:28:09,609
And she's got three young girls

592
00:28:09,711 --> 00:28:12,545
that are being affected
tremendously by it.

593
00:28:12,648 --> 00:28:16,049
This is Laurel, who's 14.

594
00:28:16,151 --> 00:28:18,385
This is Aspen, who's 8.

595
00:28:18,487 --> 00:28:20,086
And this is Cedar, who's 6.

596
00:28:20,188 --> 00:28:23,556
This is the one Caren's
most worried about.

597
00:28:23,659 --> 00:28:24,724
Caren believes

598
00:28:24,826 --> 00:28:28,194
this is literally a
life-and-death situation.

599
00:28:28,297 --> 00:28:29,472
So now that Amy knows

600
00:28:29,572 --> 00:28:31,405
a little bit about the family dynamics,

601
00:28:31,507 --> 00:28:32,940
I'm gonna ask her to describe her walk.

602
00:28:36,244 --> 00:28:39,345
AMY: When I first got
here, I was at the door,

603
00:28:39,447 --> 00:28:44,350
and I was seeing a lot of negativity,

604
00:28:44,452 --> 00:28:47,220
like, actually rolling in.

605
00:28:47,322 --> 00:28:50,156
That negative energy can cause people

606
00:28:50,258 --> 00:28:54,294
to feel very unsettled
and kind of unstable here.

607
00:28:54,396 --> 00:28:57,063
It can cause massive fighting.

608
00:28:57,165 --> 00:28:58,364
Wow.

609
00:28:58,466 --> 00:29:00,667
STEVE: The fighting...

610
00:29:00,769 --> 00:29:02,635
My three girls fight all the time,

611
00:29:02,737 --> 00:29:08,007
and I constantly am trying
to keep everyone calm.

612
00:29:08,109 --> 00:29:11,978
And then I end up yelling,
and we're all yelling,

613
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:14,614
and it comes out of nowhere,
and especially for Cedar.

614
00:29:14,716 --> 00:29:16,349
JAN: It's constant.

615
00:29:16,451 --> 00:29:19,752
It's a challenge every day
to bring them back down.

616
00:29:21,856 --> 00:29:22,855
It's heartbreaking.

617
00:29:26,461 --> 00:29:28,961
STEVE: So, what else did you see?

618
00:29:29,064 --> 00:29:31,831
AMY: I met a male,

619
00:29:31,933 --> 00:29:35,468
and he was in the kitchen
and dining room area.

620
00:29:35,570 --> 00:29:38,137
He seemed to be in his 40s, 50s.

621
00:29:38,239 --> 00:29:41,507
I got that he was in
building or construction.

622
00:29:41,609 --> 00:29:42,675
He was yelling at me
that he had been murdered

623
00:29:42,777 --> 00:29:45,311
and all this bad stuff
had happened to him,

624
00:29:45,413 --> 00:29:46,913
and, like, just something about him,

625
00:29:47,015 --> 00:29:51,201
I was like, "I don't
know if that's true."

626
00:29:51,301 --> 00:29:54,369
But, later, I saw him elsewhere,

627
00:29:54,471 --> 00:29:56,938
and he seems to be going out of his way

628
00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:59,604
to try to protect people here.

629
00:30:00,677 --> 00:30:02,510
STEVE: Well, there's really
not a lot to go on here,

630
00:30:02,612 --> 00:30:03,912
but there is somebody who lived here

631
00:30:04,014 --> 00:30:06,948
that was in construction, and
he died a mysterious death.

632
00:30:07,050 --> 00:30:08,616
His name was Maurice Dougherty.

633
00:30:08,718 --> 00:30:10,185
He was a wealthy contractor,

634
00:30:10,287 --> 00:30:13,988
and he bought this property
back in 1930 as a summer home.

635
00:30:14,091 --> 00:30:16,291
So, now, back on October 16, 1932,

636
00:30:16,393 --> 00:30:17,592
he was sleeping here,

637
00:30:17,694 --> 00:30:19,627
and it was a cold night
for that time of the year,

638
00:30:19,729 --> 00:30:22,864
so he set up a stove and
put it next to his bed

639
00:30:22,966 --> 00:30:24,232
to keep himself warm.

640
00:30:24,334 --> 00:30:26,901
Now, at some point in the
night, the sheets caught on fire.

641
00:30:27,003 --> 00:30:28,837
He was overcome by smoke,

642
00:30:28,939 --> 00:30:31,072
and by the time the firemen got here,

643
00:30:31,174 --> 00:30:32,774
he was DOA.

644
00:30:32,876 --> 00:30:36,845
Now, they found him on
the floor, locked inside,

645
00:30:36,947 --> 00:30:39,247
with the key to the door in his hand.

646
00:30:40,746 --> 00:30:42,502
I actually have an
article about his death.

647
00:30:42,602 --> 00:30:44,635
Wow.

648
00:30:44,737 --> 00:30:47,104
Now, he was 49 years old.

649
00:30:47,206 --> 00:30:48,673
He apparently lived here alone.

650
00:30:48,775 --> 00:30:50,608
I got the death certificate.

651
00:30:50,710 --> 00:30:53,444
His sister winded up
getting the property.

652
00:30:53,546 --> 00:30:55,212
But here's where the
story gets a little weird.

653
00:30:55,315 --> 00:30:57,315
After Maurice died,

654
00:30:57,417 --> 00:31:00,685
this mystery woman came forward
and claimed to be his widow.

655
00:31:00,787 --> 00:31:04,188
She wanted a piece of the house,
I guess whatever money he had,

656
00:31:04,290 --> 00:31:06,657
but she couldn't provide
any documentation or proof

657
00:31:06,759 --> 00:31:07,925
that she was married to this guy,

658
00:31:08,027 --> 00:31:10,227
and the sister didn't
know who the hell she was.

659
00:31:10,330 --> 00:31:13,197
So when you say he
feels like he was murdered,

660
00:31:13,299 --> 00:31:15,032
I'm not so sure the death went down

661
00:31:15,134 --> 00:31:17,535
the way the cops and the
firemen saw it that night.

662
00:31:17,637 --> 00:31:19,804
First of all, the guy's
a seasoned contractor.

663
00:31:19,906 --> 00:31:21,105
Are you gonna be stupid enough

664
00:31:21,207 --> 00:31:22,907
to put an oil heater
right next to your bed?

665
00:31:23,009 --> 00:31:24,742
- Right.
- I'm speculating.

666
00:31:24,844 --> 00:31:27,078
Maybe she was staying here
with him, locks the door on him.

667
00:31:27,180 --> 00:31:28,613
Now she wanted to go after his money.

668
00:31:28,715 --> 00:31:29,814
Wow.

669
00:31:29,916 --> 00:31:31,182
Did you guys know about any of this?

670
00:31:31,284 --> 00:31:34,418
- No. No idea.
- Okay.

671
00:31:39,092 --> 00:31:41,125
Now, you said this guy's
protecting the family.

672
00:31:41,227 --> 00:31:42,660
What's he protecting them from?

673
00:31:42,762 --> 00:31:45,596
The main issue here is
that there's a dead woman.

674
00:31:45,698 --> 00:31:49,600
She had very long hair. She was wet.

675
00:31:49,702 --> 00:31:52,570
I saw her coming out
from that television.

676
00:31:54,107 --> 00:31:56,974
People would see her moving...

677
00:31:57,076 --> 00:32:00,144
like a shadowy figure.

678
00:32:02,081 --> 00:32:04,715
She's always watching.

679
00:32:04,817 --> 00:32:05,983
Oh.

680
00:32:06,085 --> 00:32:08,419
But what concerned me

681
00:32:08,521 --> 00:32:13,157
was what she was doing
upstairs in the yellow room.

682
00:32:13,259 --> 00:32:14,125
Cedar's room.

683
00:32:14,227 --> 00:32:15,426
She was there.

684
00:32:15,528 --> 00:32:19,430
She was extremely agitated
because the protector,

685
00:32:19,532 --> 00:32:21,532
the dead man, is there.

686
00:32:21,634 --> 00:32:24,135
What he told me was that he's
trying to teach the children

687
00:32:24,237 --> 00:32:27,104
how to stay away from
the creepy, dead woman.

688
00:32:27,206 --> 00:32:29,273
He said he's not trying to scare them.

689
00:32:29,375 --> 00:32:31,776
He's trying to make them listen.

690
00:32:31,878 --> 00:32:34,945
So the dead lady tries
to be more aggressive,

691
00:32:35,048 --> 00:32:36,847
but she can't break through the barrier.

692
00:32:36,949 --> 00:32:38,215
Wow.

693
00:32:38,317 --> 00:32:41,018
STEVE: Cedar is the biggest
reason Caren called us in.

694
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:44,221
And you hit on a lot of the
things she's experiencing,

695
00:32:44,323 --> 00:32:46,424
and there's a lot.

696
00:32:46,526 --> 00:32:47,992
Your daughter mentioned
the guy with the brown arms

697
00:32:48,094 --> 00:32:49,393
coming out of the ceiling.

698
00:32:49,495 --> 00:32:51,028
Cedar says that he yells at her.

699
00:32:51,130 --> 00:32:53,330
He tries to push her out of bed.

700
00:32:53,433 --> 00:32:54,598
He's very threatening.

701
00:32:54,701 --> 00:32:56,367
It scares her.

702
00:32:56,469 --> 00:32:58,402
Interesting, interesting.

703
00:32:58,504 --> 00:33:00,004
Even though it seems harsh,

704
00:33:00,106 --> 00:33:02,573
I think that's just his way
of trying to protect her.

705
00:33:02,675 --> 00:33:03,908
Okay.

706
00:33:04,010 --> 00:33:06,043
STEVE: Jan was watching Cedar,

707
00:33:06,145 --> 00:33:07,945
and she was screaming in her crib.

708
00:33:08,047 --> 00:33:09,213
Tell her what you heard.

709
00:33:09,315 --> 00:33:10,381
JAN: She was screaming,

710
00:33:10,483 --> 00:33:12,283
"Get out, get out. Leave me alone."

711
00:33:12,385 --> 00:33:15,086
And as we were walking out of the door,

712
00:33:15,188 --> 00:33:17,088
I heard a low voice,

713
00:33:17,190 --> 00:33:18,756
"Everything's gonna be all right."

714
00:33:18,858 --> 00:33:20,491
Interesting. Okay.

715
00:33:20,593 --> 00:33:24,261
I got sketches that she's drawn.

716
00:33:24,363 --> 00:33:27,331
This is the man with the brown arms.

717
00:33:29,202 --> 00:33:30,835
CAREN: That's a bloody man.

718
00:33:30,937 --> 00:33:32,536
AMY: Okay.

719
00:33:32,638 --> 00:33:33,904
She also has drawn one

720
00:33:34,006 --> 00:33:35,906
that had a gunshot through the head.

721
00:33:36,008 --> 00:33:38,142
Really?

722
00:33:38,244 --> 00:33:40,077
The drawings she makes are horrible.

723
00:33:40,179 --> 00:33:42,046
How many spirits?

724
00:33:42,148 --> 00:33:43,247
Has she seen?

725
00:33:44,417 --> 00:33:45,216
Over a hundred.

726
00:33:46,919 --> 00:33:47,651
A hundred.

727
00:33:47,754 --> 00:33:49,086
It's every night.

728
00:33:49,756 --> 00:33:51,422
Geez.

729
00:33:52,859 --> 00:33:55,326
Your daughter... I think
she's a physical medium.

730
00:33:58,064 --> 00:34:00,164
STEVE: And that's what
Amy is, by the way.

731
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:03,801
Oh, my God.

732
00:34:05,505 --> 00:34:07,104
Oh, my gosh.

733
00:34:07,206 --> 00:34:09,440
There is other elements to the ability.

734
00:34:09,542 --> 00:34:11,275
We're able to affect our environment.

735
00:34:11,377 --> 00:34:11,524
Typically,

736
00:34:11,624 --> 00:34:15,532
it's when we're highly
emotional, angry, sad.

737
00:34:15,632 --> 00:34:18,032
And if people live with us,

738
00:34:18,135 --> 00:34:21,221
they will have
experiences at some point.

739
00:34:22,336 --> 00:34:23,969
She has daily rages.

740
00:34:24,071 --> 00:34:27,806
She became very, I would
say, at times violent.

741
00:34:27,908 --> 00:34:28,907
Yes.

742
00:34:29,009 --> 00:34:32,744
Totally different little girl.

743
00:34:32,846 --> 00:34:35,414
When dead people come to her,

744
00:34:35,516 --> 00:34:37,616
she is experiencing their lives.

745
00:34:37,718 --> 00:34:39,184
This is some heavy stuff

746
00:34:39,286 --> 00:34:41,954
for a child to be
absorbing and witnessing,

747
00:34:42,056 --> 00:34:43,822
and that's why you're seeing

748
00:34:43,924 --> 00:34:47,519
the behavioral reactions constantly.

749
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:52,314
This is all just shocking and confusing.

750
00:34:53,475 --> 00:34:58,945
I knew her behavior was
unusual for a 6-year-old,

751
00:34:59,047 --> 00:35:01,447
but this is really heavy.

752
00:35:01,549 --> 00:35:04,784
No wonder she's anxious and depressed.

753
00:35:04,886 --> 00:35:07,353
She doesn't know what to
expect around every corner.

754
00:35:13,854 --> 00:35:15,187
I went into the pink room.

755
00:35:15,289 --> 00:35:17,355
STEVE: That's Aspen's room.

756
00:35:17,458 --> 00:35:18,757
AMY: The protector said

757
00:35:18,859 --> 00:35:21,226
that he wasn't able
to get through to her.

758
00:35:21,328 --> 00:35:22,761
Therefore, the dead woman

759
00:35:22,863 --> 00:35:26,731
was a little bit more
active in that room...

760
00:35:26,834 --> 00:35:29,267
the dead woman who's
laying under the bed,

761
00:35:29,369 --> 00:35:32,270
trying to grab her feet and her arms

762
00:35:32,372 --> 00:35:34,339
and messing with her hair.

763
00:35:34,441 --> 00:35:36,842
And the protector was
standing in the room,

764
00:35:36,944 --> 00:35:39,511
telling me how angry
he was about everything,

765
00:35:39,613 --> 00:35:41,513
saying it was uncalled
for and disgusting,

766
00:35:41,615 --> 00:35:45,784
and he was asking God to
put a stop to this behavior.

767
00:35:47,020 --> 00:35:50,655
Many nights, Aspen sees
a little girl in her room.

768
00:35:51,649 --> 00:35:54,951
She has long, curly, brown hair.

769
00:35:55,053 --> 00:35:56,853
And the hair is wet, isn't it?

770
00:35:56,955 --> 00:35:58,821
It's wet, yes.

771
00:35:58,923 --> 00:36:00,490
And one time,

772
00:36:00,592 --> 00:36:06,329
she felt a thumb press
into the back of her neck.

773
00:36:06,431 --> 00:36:08,231
And there's someone who watches her

774
00:36:08,333 --> 00:36:10,199
from the corner of her room.

775
00:36:10,301 --> 00:36:11,534
She said there's a shadow?

776
00:36:11,636 --> 00:36:14,837
A shadow, yes, every night.

777
00:36:14,939 --> 00:36:18,241
Well, I did a sketch of what I saw.

778
00:36:18,343 --> 00:36:20,009
Oh, my gosh.

779
00:36:22,114 --> 00:36:23,113
I have to show you this.

780
00:36:24,783 --> 00:36:28,051
[Gasps]

781
00:36:29,321 --> 00:36:31,388
Oh, my gosh.

782
00:36:31,490 --> 00:36:33,323
JAN: This is my granddaughter
going through this.

783
00:36:33,425 --> 00:36:35,859
It's heart-wrenching.

784
00:36:35,961 --> 00:36:38,295
That's exactly what she describes.

785
00:36:38,397 --> 00:36:44,268
She says it's like fingers
going down her legs.

786
00:36:44,370 --> 00:36:47,704
STEVE: What the hell does
this woman want with the kids?

787
00:36:50,175 --> 00:36:52,175
When I went into the
master bedroom.

788
00:36:52,278 --> 00:36:54,077
I figured out a lot of stuff.

789
00:36:54,179 --> 00:36:58,949
I felt a living woman
feeling very isolated,

790
00:36:59,051 --> 00:37:02,419
lost in depression.

791
00:37:02,521 --> 00:37:03,554
You are feeling this.

792
00:37:03,656 --> 00:37:06,790
Yes. Those were the exact words I used.

793
00:37:06,892 --> 00:37:10,060
What I got was that the dead woman

794
00:37:10,162 --> 00:37:15,532
is making everyone feel this
way to tear the family apart.

795
00:37:15,634 --> 00:37:17,234
That's what she wants.

796
00:37:17,336 --> 00:37:19,036
The reason why she's doing this

797
00:37:19,138 --> 00:37:21,538
is because she wants
you to be her mother.

798
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:22,940
What?!

799
00:37:24,443 --> 00:37:26,577
AMY: She's jealous
of the other children.

800
00:37:26,679 --> 00:37:28,912
That's why she torments them.

801
00:37:29,014 --> 00:37:33,383
While all of this was happening
and I'm figuring this out,

802
00:37:33,485 --> 00:37:35,919
like, she just, like,
split-second, like,

803
00:37:36,021 --> 00:37:38,989
karate-chopped me in the neck.

804
00:37:39,091 --> 00:37:43,260
She is very capable
of doing physical harm.

805
00:37:45,431 --> 00:37:49,166
Well, I've been attacked in my room.

806
00:37:49,268 --> 00:37:50,300
Really?

807
00:37:50,402 --> 00:37:53,937
I was sleeping, and all of a sudden,

808
00:37:54,039 --> 00:37:56,106
a big chunk of
hair... whoo!...

809
00:37:56,208 --> 00:37:59,376
pulled me up off my pillow.

810
00:37:59,478 --> 00:38:03,480
Scared the living daylights out of me.

811
00:38:03,582 --> 00:38:06,149
Now, is this little
[bleep] doing that to her?

812
00:38:06,251 --> 00:38:09,252
Yeah. She's the main problem here.

813
00:38:09,355 --> 00:38:11,221
She wants to be with you.

814
00:38:11,323 --> 00:38:15,125
The only way she can be with you
is if you were to kill yourself.

815
00:38:15,227 --> 00:38:18,662
Then you guys would
spend eternity together,

816
00:38:18,764 --> 00:38:20,864
and you would forever
be her mother, alone.

817
00:38:22,868 --> 00:38:23,900
Oh, my God.

818
00:38:25,404 --> 00:38:26,236
Wow!

819
00:38:26,338 --> 00:38:28,405
Yeah.

820
00:38:28,507 --> 00:38:30,040
I thought what I was experiencing

821
00:38:30,142 --> 00:38:33,270
was just fallout from Cedar.

822
00:38:35,014 --> 00:38:37,427
I just can't believe this is happening.

823
00:38:54,792 --> 00:38:57,368
STEVE: So, Caren, when we spoke,
you looked me right in the eye

824
00:38:57,468 --> 00:38:58,767
and said you'll do whatever it takes

825
00:38:58,869 --> 00:39:00,435
to protect your kids.

826
00:39:00,537 --> 00:39:01,870
It sounds like after tonight,

827
00:39:01,972 --> 00:39:03,605
you need some help yourself.

828
00:39:03,707 --> 00:39:05,040
Yes.

829
00:39:05,142 --> 00:39:07,275
Now, we're gonna find
out what it's gonna take

830
00:39:07,378 --> 00:39:08,810
to make that happen.

831
00:39:08,912 --> 00:39:09,978
So for that,

832
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:12,647
I'm gonna turn it over
to Amy for some answers.

833
00:39:12,750 --> 00:39:15,550
AMY: So, the first thing
I would like to see happen

834
00:39:15,652 --> 00:39:19,521
is contacting a Native
American, a medicine person,

835
00:39:19,623 --> 00:39:22,791
to do a cleansing and remove the dead

836
00:39:22,893 --> 00:39:25,994
that are here in the house.

837
00:39:26,096 --> 00:39:30,699
Then, I would like for you to
have a Reiki master come in,

838
00:39:30,801 --> 00:39:33,168
and what they're going to be doing

839
00:39:33,270 --> 00:39:35,303
is removing any attachments.

840
00:39:35,406 --> 00:39:36,738
Basically,

841
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:41,910
they're gonna be removing all
of that built-up negative energy

842
00:39:42,012 --> 00:39:43,612
and releasing that,

843
00:39:43,714 --> 00:39:46,248
cutting any cords that have formed.

844
00:39:46,350 --> 00:39:51,086
Now, for your daughter Cedar,

845
00:39:51,188 --> 00:39:56,358
the first thing is for her to
learn meditation techniques.

846
00:39:56,460 --> 00:39:59,060
This is very, very important here.

847
00:39:59,163 --> 00:40:02,063
Really, when she starts
doing the meditation,

848
00:40:02,166 --> 00:40:03,799
her light basically will dim,

849
00:40:03,901 --> 00:40:07,169
and the dead won't be as
drawn to her as they have been.

850
00:40:07,271 --> 00:40:09,037
Okay.

851
00:40:09,139 --> 00:40:12,948
The second thing is for
her to have a power object.

852
00:40:13,048 --> 00:40:14,681
Now, this is an object

853
00:40:14,783 --> 00:40:19,619
that she's going to feel
protects her and empowers her

854
00:40:19,721 --> 00:40:22,155
that she can carry with
her anywhere and everywhere

855
00:40:22,257 --> 00:40:24,867
and she can sleep with it, et cetera.

856
00:40:24,967 --> 00:40:26,733
The third thing is...

857
00:40:26,835 --> 00:40:29,769
we're gonna call it the
room lock-down, okay?

858
00:40:29,871 --> 00:40:33,073
So every night, she's
gonna have her power object,

859
00:40:33,175 --> 00:40:35,542
and she's gonna have her mantra, okay?

860
00:40:35,644 --> 00:40:39,112
So what she's gonna say is
something along the lines of

861
00:40:39,214 --> 00:40:41,615
"Leave me be. I'm too young to help.

862
00:40:41,717 --> 00:40:44,951
Go to another. You cannot be here.

863
00:40:45,053 --> 00:40:47,587
You cannot speak to
me. You cannot jump me.

864
00:40:47,689 --> 00:40:49,856
You must stay outside."

865
00:40:49,958 --> 00:40:52,025
And that will keep them from coming?

866
00:40:52,127 --> 00:40:52,792
Yes.

867
00:40:52,894 --> 00:40:54,060
This is the basis

868
00:40:54,162 --> 00:41:00,066
of her starting her
process of self-empowerment,

869
00:41:00,168 --> 00:41:01,768
drawing her boundaries,

870
00:41:01,870 --> 00:41:05,071
and making sure that
her space is her own.

871
00:41:05,173 --> 00:41:07,007
We have a path,

872
00:41:07,109 --> 00:41:09,502
and this family will follow the path.

873
00:41:10,075 --> 00:41:11,040
At least you're smiling now.

874
00:41:11,142 --> 00:41:11,744
[Laughs]

875
00:41:11,844 --> 00:41:15,879
It's good to have some
answers to know what to do.

876
00:41:15,981 --> 00:41:17,080
I feel like,

877
00:41:17,182 --> 00:41:20,116
"Okay, we have a path ahead,
and if we do these things,

878
00:41:20,219 --> 00:41:21,952
we're all gonna feel better."

879
00:41:22,054 --> 00:41:24,521
That's what I want.

880
00:41:24,623 --> 00:41:27,123
I want my little girl to
feel like a little girl.

881
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:29,693
AMY: I really feel for Caren.

882
00:41:29,795 --> 00:41:32,229
Learning that your child
can interact with the dead

883
00:41:32,331 --> 00:41:33,563
can be terrifying.

884
00:41:33,665 --> 00:41:35,966
But I believe if they follow my advice,

885
00:41:36,068 --> 00:41:38,368
Cedar will learn to
harness her abilities.

886
00:41:38,470 --> 00:41:41,671
And with the help of a Reiki
master and a medicine person,

887
00:41:41,773 --> 00:41:45,229
they can banish the dead
and live a peaceful life.

888
00:41:45,279 --> 00:41:49,829
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